August 16, 2017 at 9:04 pm #5226rudy avilaParticipant
I have experienced an extreme rash and severe itching on both feet after starting stopping and re-introducing allopurinol treatment. My doctor has advised me to take an antihistamine along with the allopurinol to avoid the rash and itching but I beg to differ here. Alternative medications such as febuxostat, probenecid and Uloric are not available in Belize where I live. I would like (following my experience with allopurinol) to experiment with natural herbal alternatives. Please help. My uric acid level is 7.6!!
August 17, 2017 at 8:30 am #5235
I would be surprised if you couldn’t get a pharmaceutical alternative to allopurinol in a neighboring country if not in Belize.
Teijin (The Japanese company which developped febuxostat) claims it is available in Belize. But Belize being such a small country, they could of course have their facts wrong. Maybe you could contact them. I did have a quick look on the web and found pharamcies claiming to stock a Latin American brand of febuxostat in Guatemala. Did you look for Latin American brands as well as Uloric (the gringo brand)?
As to probenecid, it’s only one of a type of drug called uricosuric. You could look for others (keeping in mind that in Central America drugs might be sold under a variety of brand names). I should however warn you that this class of drug is not appropriate in every case and is usually not as effective as allopurinol and febuxostat.
I don’t know about herbal medicines but there are dietary choices which are correlated with lower uric acid. With your uric acid at 7.6, it would likely be difficult and very slow to get good results that way but it’s not totally hopeless. Certainly it would be better than doing nothing.
Do tell if you want more information about that but I have to stress that febuxostat works much better.
August 19, 2017 at 1:13 am #5309
As far as an herbal alternative, I would highly recommend Malic acid,(Apple acid) supplements. Combined with Apple cider vinegar,(ACV) supplements, daily, to relieve and possibly eliminate gout pain and flare-ups. The research for that may not be out there, but the success stories are there if you look. Good Luck to you….
August 19, 2017 at 10:46 am #5314d qParticipant
@urankji – I was wondering if you actually tried Malic Acid and if your uric acid levels really dropped, if so how much by? I’m thinking of giving it a try but wanted to know if you had an idea of how the actual mechanism works? Thanks
August 19, 2017 at 2:03 pm #5317
@d q. I started taking one sometimes two 600 mg capsules of L-malic acid a day since March 2017, along with apple cider vinegar and celery seed extract caps [Celery Seed for Gout Forum linked above]. Only had uric acid checked once since then, late July-17, and it actually went up, from 6.9 to 7.6. No doubt quite high. I can’t explain that but it was suggested that it could be related to the ongoing break down of uric acid crystals still in the blood? I have been basically symptom-free. With no flare-ups or gout attacks since then, March 2017. Is that supplement related? I don’t know for sure. I am just trying to stay away from prescribed meds for as long as possible. There doesn’t seem to be much research out there on malic acid for treatment of gout but there is some. Here is one informative site on malic acid itself. Good luck…. https://thedailyhealth.co.uk/malic-acid-chronic-fatigue-syndrome-00974/
August 20, 2017 at 11:57 am #5330d qParticipant
Thanks – I will have a read.
How often did you get flare ups prior to starting home therapies?
August 20, 2017 at 11:40 pm #5353
I was getting flare ups about every 4-6 weeks regularly, with some of them leading to full blown attacks where I would have to miss work for a week. Usually in one of my feet, sometimes on top of the foot? Also in my finger joints, the last joint below the fingernail. Always very painful as you may know. Hope this helps.
September 20, 2017 at 4:49 pm #5737Ron HarrisParticipant
I want a divorce from allopurinol
Hello, I’m a 55 year old male recently(3/17) diagnosed with gout/uac.
I’m currently on allopurinol(200mg a day)and am looking for a way to get off of allopurinol, I do NOT to be married to a pill for the rest of my of my life 🙁
When I was initially diagnosed, my UA was 8.2 and I was prescribed 100mg allopurinol, but after a month of meds my symptoms did not subside and my UA was at 6.5. I am currently on 200mg a day and my UA is at 5.7.
– I have been a healthy vegetarian for 28 years, very low purine intake.
– never been overweight, don’t consume a lot of sugar.
– 6’2″ 220 lbs active, jog 15mi/bike 30-50mi a week, scuba, water/snow ski.
– drink responsibly, hit Vegas a few time a year and been known to party.
– father had gout starting in his 40’s
– grandmother had gout in her 60’s
– had one misdiagnosed gout attack 9/16 then full-blown attack 3/17.
My rheumatologist indicated to me that my high UA was most likely the result of genetics. She ran multiple full panels of bloodwork looking at kidney function, UA, liver function, iron levels(found out I have borderline low ferritin), CBC, all came back normal. She also told me that I most likely will be on allopurinol the rest of my life.
So I have two questions:
1). My foot is still sore and slightly swollen, what is the “average” time for full recovery??
2). Based on life experience/consensus, once diagnosed, with no acute cause for the high UA, are you destined to take medication for the rest of your life??
Thanks in advance,
September 20, 2017 at 8:37 pm #5740
My understanding is that full recovery from a gout attack typically occurs in less than 2 weeks.
But I have had symptoms which lasted for months before I started taking colchicine in sufficiently large amounts. Others have experienced long-lasting symptoms as well.
Your situation is not typical to begin with. Some of us have experienced ongoing symptoms after lowering our UA (be it through drugs or diet).
If you haven’t yet tried colchicine, you might want to talk to your doctor about it. There are other drugs such as corticosteroids which might help put a stop to your ongoing symptoms.
I don’t know when you’ve started taking 200mg but if your dose change was recent, I wouldn’t worry about your foot not healing just yet. If you’ve been on 200mg for a while, it’s possible you would benefit from taking a bit more.
It’s also possible your last attack did some damage to your foot that explains (some of) your symptoms. In that case, drugs may not help much. Aside from the injuries that serious swelling can cause or contribute to, gout seems to contribute to the development of other conditions such as osteoarthritis. If your foot doesn’t improve, you might have to ask your rheuma to take a closer look at it.
The information you’ve just given would lead me to guess that you’re going to have a long term relationship with allopurinol. If you have a problem with allopurinol in particular, there are other drugs and remedies you could take instead. But you’re most likely have to take something or other. You could try to optimize your diet and lifestyle but I don’t think that would be sufficient to keep you safe in the long run.
There’s little harm in trying different things as long as your are monitoring your uric acid closely. There’s also evidence that people can quit allopurinol for a little while without ill effects. But I would wait until you’ve been symptom-free for a long time before attempting anything of the sort. The longer you’ve been taking allopurinol, the safer it would be to take a break. To be clear, I’m talking years.
September 20, 2017 at 9:38 pm #5741Ron HarrisParticipant
Nobody, thanks for the quick response.
I do have a script for colchicine but was under the impression it was for flare ups not ongoing pain? I will try it tomorrow. I do hope it helps i have been a sloth as of late and need to get feeling better about myself.
I don’t have any ill effects from allopurinol that have surfaced as of yet(100mg for 1mo, 200mg for 3mo). I just hate hearing that the only way I can live “happily” is through pharmacology… I’ve prided myself on taking care; mentally, physically, and dietarly, this UA thing hit me unexpectedly and nocked me off my feet for 6 weeks. I guess I should have seen it coming with my family history. I had always thought it was more about “lifestyle” choices and truly thought you could avoid “gout” by living cleanly, eating right, and taking good care of yourself.
You can never out run genetics…
September 20, 2017 at 10:30 pm #5742
I do take colchicine for flareups but I don’t think it’s the best way to use it because it acts slowly.
So far as I know, it’s typically used as a way to prevent flareups (by taking a pill every day) but in my experience it can also disrupt them. It might bring a little relief but shouldn’t get rid of ongoing symptoms on the first day. But see if the swelling improves over the next few days.
I don’t know whether colchicine would help but I think it’s worth trying. Knowing that it doesn’t help would be a clue as to what’s causing your ongoing symptoms.
Some people can fix gout by tweaking their diets, losing weight and so forth.
There’s a definite connection between gout and lifestyles. But if you strongly predisposed to get gout, you’ll get it no matter what. Lots of males get gout way younger than you did so taking care of yourself as you did may have given you many medication-free years.
If you only got one blood test since you’ve been on 200mg, I’d get another. 5.7 mg/dl is kind of borderline and there are variations in test results. If your UA was lower than usual when you got 5.7, it could be too high much of the time.
And some people recommend aiming lower than 5.7 in the first place. Opinions vary but I suspect my doctors would tell you to lower your UA further if your symptoms don’t go away after a while.
Sometimes there is a medical reason not to take more than 200mg though.
September 25, 2017 at 10:36 am #5750Keith TaylorParticipant
Allopurinol can be prescribed as an annual course for a few weeks instead of every day. But you’ll be lucky to find a doctor with enough gout experience to manage that properly.
Extreme lifestyle changes might get your uric acid into the safe zone. But I don’t know enough about you to guess the likelihood of success. If you want to consider lifestyle changes the starting point is a lifestyle analysis that includes height, weight, exercise levels and a 3 day food intake diary.
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